Are there no pizza places in New York that offer single slices. I am not going to eat a whole pizza by myself.

_Bear said:

There should be >????? try the internet!

Thats where I am looking and all the best pizza places are full pizzas only.

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[user1] xxx: I don't think there are many people involved in circumventing PSN access in /this/ channel [ "application/x-i-5-ticket" reason=40 > PSN error 80710101 ]


[user2] talk about network stuff?


[user2] nice


[user2] i just finished decrypting 100% of all psn functions


[user3]

[user2] you can forget all the history wiper and log remove apps


[user2] theres a independant check


[user2] which transfers all games and their playtime


[user2] every time you login


[user2] you can modify it like the firmware version tho


[user2] it looks like:


[user2]


[user2] aswell they can detect backups this way


[user1] hash is eboot.bin to check for version?


[user2] if you use a backup it will look like this:


[user2] [user4] user2, is that in data sent to a0.[CC].np.communication.playstation.net


[user2] sec lemme check


[user4] im still collecting all the data


[user2] updptl.de.np.community.playstation.net/


[user2] thats the server


[user3] user2: what about Blu-ray Master Disc/BD Emulator ?


[user3] since, i use those features legitimately


[user2] on debug or retail?


[user2] i didnt check all on debug unit yet


[user2] so no clue if it sends discid for bdemu


[user2] but sony is the biggest spy ever lol


[user2] they collect so much data


[user1] true


[user2] all connected devices return values sent to sony server


[user2] example:


[user3] user2: Debug models of course

[user2] >32'' TFT-TVOEMreleasecex


[user4] i cannot find my PS3 connect to host with 'updptl' in the name


[user2] returns tv, fw version, fw type, console model


[user2] also i found data it collects when i had usb device attached etc etc


[user2] so if they ever sue someone for psn stuff, they will be sued themselves as most of the data they collect is just not legal


[user4] user2, at what time does it connect to that host?


[user4] during the PSN logon?


[user2] sec i check


[user5] user2 how can you modify that data?


[user6] user2: do you now know enough to wipe all traces so that people who never had their consoles on the internet can avoid sending this information now?  

[user4] no DNS request for a host with 'updptl' in the name in my packet captures :-


[user2] @user5: it sents directly after user profile load and sometimes; - it seams random, just when u play a game or anything


[user4] ohh


[user2] @xxxx: we could modify the data via proxy between the tunnels, like delete all data between the xml tags or somehow


[user5] oh so its not on the ps3 hdd itself?


[user6] user2: aha, so this information is actually encrypted?


[user2] ya


[user2] the list is stored online


[user2] and updated when u login psn and random


[user5] damn


[user6] but where is it stored before that? I have never been online with my ps3...


[user6] so it must be somewhere


[user5] was hoping it would be on the ps3 hdd


[user5] then lock it or so


[user1] the only avoidance is block all *.playstation.net


[user2] MAYBE - i rly dont know - it doesnt save it at all on hdd


[user2] so only transfers the games and stuff in one ps3 session when you go online


[user2] so if u have ps3 offline and play a game, then shutdown and turn on again


[user2] it MAY not transfer update


[user2] cuz i didnt find any info for that list on hdd


[user2] it could be that its used for online playtime or psn logged in playtime


[user2] aswell you should never ever install a CFW from someone unknown


[user2] cuz its way too easy todo scamming at this point


[user2] for example:


[user2] [redacted plain text code, includes false credit card number]


[user2] sent as plaintext


[user3] uh


[user3] did you censor that card?


[user2] ya its fake


[user3] good


[user1] wow, plaintext


[user5] plaintext wow


[user3] im never putting in my details like that


[user2] ya is all fake lol


[user2] i never used cc on ps3


[user2] normally you ATLEAST enccrypt the securtity code, even if its ssl


[user5] id hope sony would do such in a safe manner


[user5] psn cards probably plain text to then


[user2] fake certs are known since years as vuln so companies encrypt such data twice normally


[user2] but hey its sony --> its a feature


[user5] lol


[user7] lol


[user5] yeah if you go public with your info they either remove the store or psn all together


[user5] as an update


[user6] I doubt it

[user7] from all the actions they've taken the past years, we can only deduce that Sony don't care about their customers


[user2] impossible


[user7]

[user2] they wont update their whole psn lol


[user6] but this should really get out there, but I guess it's on psx-scene.com in a matter of minutes already

[user5] 3.60 removal of psn


[user2] i know a few guys who worked @ sony's psn backend. just when the ps3 was released we talked bout the first psn, at this time ALL was http and unencrypted. so you could see userpass etc plain. i asked em why is it that way. lame answer was "we thought it was adressed." - lol


[user2] sony qa --> trainees


[user8] that fits nicely into the "#define rand() 4" mentality.

[user2] yep


[user3] or more of


[user3] ECDSA_PRIVATE_KEY privateKey;


[user2] lol


[user3] and PrivateKey is in a header file


[user3] and it's static


[user2] xD


[user3] and ECDSA_RANDOM in a header file


[user3] and so on


[user2] another funny function i found is regarding psn downloads


[user2] its when a pkg game is requested from the store


[user2] in the url itself you can define if you get the game free or not. requires some modification in hashes and so on tho


[user3] ..


[user2] is like


[user8]

[user3] my god


[user2] drmff


[user5] lol


[user2] lol


[user1] :facepalm:


[user8] well, that's one way to offload the server.


[user2] still wondering when the big ban wave arrives

[user1] if they ban everyone, even using backups legally in their country (but in their opinion a TOS violation), it will be a huge tsunami, not a wave


[user10] ask ur friends

[user2] prolly they take it like it is now, unstoppable anyways


[user2] new firmware to ban all further actions and done


[user4] an open psn would be nice


[user4] even if it was just a player matching service


[user2] ya


a PSN host by the community

[user3] that actually could be perhaps possible


[user3] if you can get auth working


[user3] and all


[user3] a new np environment


[user2] the friend list management is easiest


[user2] simple jabber server


[user11] don't some games use their own servers?


[user1] some use p2p


[user11] which check from the official psn servers whether you're logged in and who you are


[user2] imagine the traffic load

[user2] whod pay this xD


[user11] yes, but even p2p games do use publisher or sony provided servers for matchmaking


[user3] NpCommerce2


[user12] I am getting behind everything on doing my security analysis


[user12] started a couple months ago monitoring SSL stuff, and theen got distracted with blackops and havent pursed it, seems a lot of people are starting to take interest in it now


[user2] and regarding matchmaking and lobby systems


[user2] the functions built in firmware and/or game


[user2] how would you answer them


[user2] the server side code we dont know of


[user12] some stuff appears to be in lv2 and not in sprx for network stuff


[user2] so we can not create proper answers


[user12] you can try to analyze the protocol and say "if X then Y" type responses the problems come up when you get something you haveent seen before


[user12] that was done with counterstrike for example so that people could cheat


[user12] so its not entirely impossible although it is time consuming


[user12] sometimes its happy accidents, reason code 21 means bad cipher, 51 bad firmware version - for x-i-5 tickets for example


[user11] wasn't cs/hl server software available for anyone to download even back then?


[user6] anyone found a way to change DVD region on ps3 yet, btw?


[user11] for psn you can't even get binaries for the server side


[user5] user2 i remember some months ago you made a psntool with a psn messenger in it but not yet functional is that still being worked on?


[user12] but for stuff like that the ticket has to exist on the psn side of things because if I send my ticket to a vendor server they will validate it against psn and if its not there it will fail


[user1] xxx: wasn't syscall 0×363 0×19004 3rd byte usefull for that?


[user2] @xxxx: at this time i could finish the tool yes but im not sure if it is useful at all


[user12] xxxx: no but you can monitor traffic, even send some "bad" things and watch the responses... I discovered x-i-5 reason code 21 by accident, I did not force my proxy to mirror the cipher that the ps3 presented


[user2] i mean why would someone want to chat with a someone on ps3


[user2] while any1 anyway have msn/icq/aol


[user12] know this, sony in realtime, monitors all messages over psn


[user12] I verified that, its part of my privacy threats thing I am doing


[user5] ok too bad id like the psn messenger on pc


[user12] the realtime monitoring is a bit bothersome to me


[user6] user1: such information is quite useless to me, as I'm not that into the technical stuff

[user2] @user12: the realtime jabber monitoring as most likely for realtime censor of messages


[user12] they appear to have at the very least keywords they look for, not sure just how invasive the whole thing is, but ...


[user12] well they have osme odd things in there


[user11] yeah they have that dumb automatic word filter


[user4] the censor word-list is ridiculous


[user13] psn messenger would be helpful, just yesterday was killed 2 times when typing response on the message + its so slow loading


[user12] a psn code that is not really valid if you sent that via email it becomes valid but you cant add funds to your wallet. The fact that emailing that code to someone makes it valid for you is odd ... why monitor that code?


[user11] which makes it much more difficult to have a sensible conversation in languages other than english


[user12] why change its state on sending it?


[user12] the censor words in home is on your system, it downloads a dict list of words


[user12] an empty file resolves that


[user2] tryin to find my jabber logs... >.< [user12] so it only censors on receipt not on transmission


[user12] dunno how the other stuff does it


[user12] mostly because I have yet to look


[user12] now you have me curious I am gonna go redo my network a little bit to start monitoring again

[user2] btw aswell a reason AGAINST pc to ps3 messenger is spam


[user2] cuz there actually is an easy way to get userlists


[user2] would fuck psn pretty hard if some skiddy releases a spam app


[user2] the highscore and matchmaking lobbies you can request per game id and get user mails for psn


[user13] ugh, yeah


[user2] huge list + spam app == sux


[user3] argghhhh


[user3] why do my trophies never sync to np


[user2] anyway sony just would have to open a port on the jabber server, so you could login with icq


[user5] lol


[user2] and we all know what happens if cool homebrew arrives, remember open remote play


[user2] sony just releases an official tool lol


[user12] thing is the more people do things and discuss what they do and explain how to do it the more likely sony will lock down psn in the future


[user2] psn is a core feature of ps3


[user12] making it harder and harder to do anything, like using older firmwares to log in, that will probably be the first to go away


[user2] they would be sued like with otheros


[user5] yeah but they also blocked open remote play


[user11] user12: that already went away, didn't it


[user12] if you are not running current firmware you do not have a right to psn


[user11] user12: even for debug users


[user12] not really, not yet anyway


[user12] 3.56 did not break it but the next release might


[user12] especially because it stops people running backups and other stuff on psn


[user11] well i mean 3.41


[user2] ya would be all possible for them


[user12] not sure what, if anything, changed with 3.41


[user11] you used to be able to sign in on debug 3.41 until someone released that psn enabler hack


[user2] one way more difficult than the other so i think they first will go on with backup ban on psn


[user11] even though 3.42 and 3.50 had already been released


[user2] via playlists and stuff i meantioned before


[user2] a secure way to fix it would require firmware and server update tho


[user2] wondering what prevents em of this way


[user12] I just got a new ps3 yesterday, has 3.40, gonna put 3.55 on it and do my work


[user12] I *might* try with 3.40 and see if I can do enough of my work, that would make it somewhat harder though


[user1] banwave possibly, new FW + plus they still need to fix that 3.56-1st/2nd harddrive exchange bug in the next version


[user12] because my work is specialized and very limited in scopee


[user2] the psn has 45 environments all working independant


[user2] prolly that is the reason


[user2] we could just change to another environment


[user2] and they also need to have an eye to the official developers which use environments too


[user2] and the qa


[user2] which needs to work with older firmware sometimes


[user2] so they cant update all environments and block all


[user4] probably so much ITIL process management so they can't fart without a work request


[user2] hehe


[user12] the way that people are getting on now is to change the user agent in the login request, well x-platform-version specifically. but if the x-platform-passphrase changes in how its constructed then its easy to detect people trying to use an older firmware


[user2] they can even without the xi


[user2] as the firmware version is in a lot more requests than the auth


[user4] version is sent to the getprof servers also


[user2] ppl change only the xi one atm


[user4] and ena.


[user2] but its in netstart, xi, game starts


[user12] I understand that part of it, I was just talking about x-i-5 auth stuff


[user2] many many functions send the real fw version


[user2] but only xi5 is checked


[user12] I realize that many functions send the fw version, anything that uses libhttp.sprx does


[user2] ya


[user12] remember I have been donig this for a couple months


[user12] even wrote software that lets me do the ssl parts on the fly instead of to a fixed server, mirroring the CN of the real server


[user4] what is the data in xi5 at 0xC0 ->EOF ? some crypto/salt ?


[user4] luckily they use CN=*.*.np.community.playstation.net which saves a bit of hassle, just calling openssl from your app user12 ?


[user12] openssl libs


[user12] not the app itself


[user12] and I do it for *ALL* ssl connections in realtime


[user12] so even if you use the webbrowser it will generate certs for that too


[user4] nice tool you made

[user12] it is similar in function to "sslsniff" but mine works with the ps3 and logs correctly


[user2] for the first i think ppl should use a replace of all 3.5.5 and 355 strings but regarding to the user agent, else psn wont load


[user2] user12 which certs u use?


[user2] only 05 i guess ?


[user2] CA i mean sorry


[user12] user2: I use them all


[user12] there is a place that the firmware version is in lv2 that is not a "string"


[user12] its 'decimal' "035500" not sure if its 32 or 64 bit in size though,


[user2] btw u know the login url for auth is like:


[user12] but that is not the ascii 3 its the decimal value


[user2] &serviceid=IV0001-NPXS01001_00&loginid=MYMAIL&password=MYPASS&first=true&consoleid=MYID


[user12] I have complete logs for the auth stuff


[user2] did u already change the "first" param?


[user2] i wonder what it does


[user12] first=true is only there if you had not previously loggged into psn


[user2] ah ok


[user12] its missing if you were previously logged in but you need a new ticet


[user12] ticket


[user14] hi


[user14] please not connect


[user14] to external dns ip


[user14] with your ps3


[user14] your passwords and email and other data is revealed on the external side


[user12] which you need for each service id that you need one for, meaning if you sync trophies you get 1 ticket, when you play a game you get a 2nd ticket, when you watch netflix you get a 3rd


[user14] spam people can use this info


[user12] most likely if they are mapping that host


[user12] if its just the firmware check then no, because there is nothing private sent in that http (cleartext) request


[user12] so it depends on what hosts they are looking at


[user14] to start a spamming attack


[user2] hm didnt check that ticket stuff yet


[user2] as when i used a ticket


[user2] for a test POST


[user2] i worked with 1 only


[user2] and always worked


[user2] prolly many to identify the service


[user12] the ticket is sent to say a game, netflix, etc. anythibng that uses psn. That way you do not send credentials to anyone but sony


[user2] if its like u say then this is another vuln lol


[user2] cuz as i tested if always first ticket works


[user2] you could hijack a session


[user2] the ticket and session i used didnt timeout


[user2] and if it always creates a new ticket as u say


[user2] there would be many sessions


[user12] I also haave yet to monitor how long the tickets are valid for, I know that the ps3 does not reuse them between apps but that could just be the way its coded (they might be valid even though a normal ps3 will never reuse)


[user2] for one user open


[user12] it may invalidate old ones on issuance of a new, I never looked


[user12] I just know that I saw it getting one at app launch


[user2] hm wierd with the tickets


[user2] i know the ticket is build outta few params


[user2] the serial


[user2] the userid


[user2] issueddare


[user2] service id


[user2] online id


[user2] many many

[user12] I also know that the server that does the x-i-5 tickets is a bit more tight about the ciphers than any other system in sonyland


[user12] if sony is watching this channel they should know that running an older version of apache on a redhat server with known vulnerabilities is not wise, especially when that server freely reports its version and its the auth server


[user2] its not old version, they just didnt update the banner


[user12] I consider apache 2.2.15 old


[user2] which server


[user12] it also has known vulnerabilities


[user12] auth.np.ac.playstation.net


[user2] ya the displayed version u see via banner is not the real version


[user12] unless they updated it in the last couple weeks


[user12] I doubt that since its not trivial to change that


[user12] its a bit more invasive than just setting it to Prod like they do on their other servers


[user11] you know, watching this conversation makes me think about whether it was a good idea after all to buy a couple of games from psn using a visa card


[user2] its just backported security patches


[user11] i did remove all my info after downloading the games though


[user12] that is just psn not the store


[user12] they are running linux 2.6.9-2.6.24 on that box too


[user12] that too is old


[user2] lol @ buying on store


[user11] yes, but their general attitude towards security just seems...ugh


[user2] sony wont misuse the info i bet xD


[user2] but just prevent using cfw's of unknown ppl


[user2] even better from ALL ppl


[user2] make ur own lol


[user12] so I doubt that they are spoofing the network stack on that box as well


[user12] my guess is that it really is undermaintained "it works why change anything"


[user2] could be


[user12] sony really should update that stuff to something more current


[user2] ya


[user2] but imagine


[user2] psn == 45 environments


[user2] and for example


[user2] every env has 50 subdomains


[user2] to external machines


[user2] its rly rly huge


[user2] who wants to do this xD


[user2] ppl r lazy


[user2] wont change

WWhoaaaaa. Watching TV news now they are doing a piece on PSN hack.

77 million PSN users, 3 million of those in the UK. This is big.

Also I traded in SF4 3DS for........... Nintendogs. Yeah that's right.

Once I returned it I realised that it was still one of the best games to show off the 3D and I wanted to see what else the game had to offer. I can't wait another six weeks for Zelda damnit.

Nintendo

The complete list of million-seller titles provided today follows:


Nintendo DS:

New Super Mario Bros. - 26,880,000

Mario Kart DS - 21,040,000

Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver - 11,900,000

Pokemon Black/White - 11,510,000

Super Mario 64 DS - 9,650,000

Mario Party DS - 8,210,000

Mario & Luigi: Bowser's Inside Story - 4,130,000

*Professor Layton and the Unwound Future - 1,970,000

Art Academy - 1,900,000

Mario vs. Donkey Kong: Mini-Land Mayhem! - 1,780,000

*Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Skies - 1,050,000


Wii:

Wii Sports - 76,760,000

Wii Sports Resort - 27,680,000

Mario Kart Wii - 27,000,000

New Super Mario Bros. Wii - 21,940,000

Wii Fit Plus - 18,490,000

Super Mario Galaxy 2 - 6,360,000

Wii Party - 5,770,000

Donkey Kong Country Returns - 4,980,000

Super Mario All-Stars - 2,240,000

Kirby's Epic Yarn - 1,590,000

Mario Sports Mix - 1,540,000


Nintendo 3DS:

Nintendogs + Cats - 1,710,000


*Numbers do not include sales in Japan, as these games were published by third parties and therefore do not factor into this report.

Tips from IGN on what to do Thanks to FUCKING SONY:

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Need more advice on how to make sure this PlayStation Network hiccup doesn't turn into a personal disaster? The Federal Trade Commission deals with this stuff all the time and has a number of tips on how to watch for the bad guys.

Here are the FTC's tips straight from its website.

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• accounts you didn't open and debts on your accounts that you can't explain.
• fraudulent or inaccurate information on your credit reports, including accounts and personal information, like your Social Security number, address(es), name or initials, and employers.
• failing to receive bills or other mail. Follow up with creditors if your bills don't arrive on time. A missing bill could mean an identity thief has taken over your account and changed your billing address to cover his tracks.
• receiving credit cards that you didn't apply for.
• being denied credit, or being offered less favorable credit terms, like a high interest rate, for no apparent reason.
• getting calls or letters from debt collectors or businesses about merchandise or services you didn't buy.

• You may find out when bill collection agencies contact you for overdue debts debts you never incurred.
• You may find out when you apply for a mortgage or car loan and learn that problems with your credit history are holding up the loan.
• You may find out when you get something in the mail about an apartment you never rented, a house you never bought, or a job you never held.

• Your financial statements. Monitor your financial accounts and billing statements regularly, looking closely for charges you did not make.
• Your credit reports. Credit reports contain information about you, including what accounts you have and how you pay your bills. The law requires each of the major nationwide consumer reporting agencies to provide you with a free copy of your credit report, at your request, once every 12 months. If an identity thief is opening credit accounts in your name, these accounts are likely to show up on your credit report. To find out, order a copy of your credit reports.

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Once you get your reports, review them carefully. Look for inquiries from companies you haven't contacted, accounts you didn't open, and debts on your accounts that you can't explain. Check that information, like your Social Security number, address(es), name or initials, and employers are correct. If you find fraudulent or inaccurate information, get it removed. See Correcting Fraudulent Information in Credit Reports to learn how. Continue to check your credit reports periodically, especially for the first year after you discover the identity theft, to make sure no new fraudulent activity has occurred.

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An amendment to the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act requires each of the major nationwide consumer reporting companies to provide you with a free copy of your credit report, at your request, once every 12 months.

To order your free annual report from one or all the national consumer reporting companies, visit www.annualcreditreport.com, call toll-free 877-322-8228, or complete the Annual Credit Report Request Form and mail it to: Annual Credit Report Request Service, P.O. Box 105281, Atlanta, GA 30348-5281. You can print the form from ftc.gov/credit. Do not contact the three nationwide consumer reporting companies individually; they provide free annual credit reports only through www.annualcreditreport.com, 877-322-8228, and Annual Credit Report Request Service, P.O. Box 105281, Atlanta, GA 30348-5281.

Under federal law, you're also entitled to a free report if a company takes adverse action against you, such as denying your application for credit, insurance or employment, and you request your report within 60 days of receiving notice of the action. The notice will give you the name, address, and phone number of the consumer reporting company that supplied the information about you. You're also entitled to one free report a year if you're unemployed and plan to look for a job within 60 days; you're on welfare; or your report is inaccurate because of fraud. Otherwise, a consumer reporting company may charge you up to $9.50 for any other copies of your report.

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To buy a copy of your report, contact:

Equifax: 800-685-1111; www.equifax.com

Experian: 888-EXPERIAN (888-397-3742); www.experian.com

TransUnion: 800-916-8800; www.transunion.com

There are a variety of commercial services that, for a fee, will monitor your credit reports for activity and alert you to changes to your accounts. Prices and services vary widely. Many of the services only monitor one of the three major consumer reporting companies. If you're considering signing up for a service, make sure you understand what you're getting before you buy. Also check out the company with your local Better Business Bureau, consumer protection agency and state Attorney General to see if they have any complaints on file.

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I have to go through painstaking steps everyday ALREADY to protect my identity.

Thank you FUCKING Sony for making life THAT MUCH MORE DIFFICULT.

They can fucking crash and burn now as far as I care. Amateur fuck up from a so-called "leader" in the industry. No PS4 for me!

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edgecrusher said:

Nope, those suck compared to the one with the sandaled feet.